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June 15, 2007

Last Day to Donate, Plus Betting Pool With a Sweet Prize


Remember that at 11:59 and 59 seconds pm I stop taking donations for the "Drag Scalzi's Ass to the Creation Museum" thing (I'm going to set that for midnight in the Pacific Time Zone, however, to give you laid-back California stragglers a chance to get your act together).

At this point, it does no harm to note that both the goals I've set for the donation drive have been met and then some; you guys both suck and rock. So if you donate at this point, what you'll be donating toward is getting the goodies, which are a short story (contextually appropriate and likely to be humorous) and some other unspecified thing which I won't tell you about yet but should note that I've bought the ingredients for it. No, I'm not baking you all schadenfreude pie. You can't send that by e-mail. Anyway, I promise they'll be fun goodies, and I'm hoping to reach a nice round number of donations, so: Last chance, folks.

To sweeten the deal, I'm opening up a betting pool: Folks who donate (or have donated) can guess in this comment thread how much has been donated; the one who gets closest to the exact amount gets a special prize: A copy of the Super Mega Ultra Rare "How I Proposed to My Wife: An Alien Sex Story" chapbook. The only people who can't participate are folks who I have told how much I've collected so far (I know who they are), and I would ask them not to share the information, even though depending on when they asked, the information is totally outdated. Everyone else who has donated is able to make a guess.

There are fewer than 200 copies of this particular chapbook out there, so for those of you who are collectors, this is good stuff (and for everyone else, it's a pretty funny story). But to have a shot at it, you have to donate, and then you have to guess what the final amount donated will be. You have the donation deadline above; let's say the betting poll deadline is noon tomorrow (eastern time). That's when I'll announce the final tally for donations. So get those donations in!

So: Those of you who donated -- What do you think the final tally will be?

Posted by john at June 15, 2007 10:39 AM

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John H | June 15, 2007 10:45 AM


Jon Hansen | June 15, 2007 10:50 AM

1,495.28 American, plus 18 pesos and two coconuts.

Patrick M. | June 15, 2007 10:57 AM

Will you confirm or deny if it is a multiple of EVIL? I didn't donate so I can't really guess. Well, I can guess, but I can't enter the contest, see cause guessing is just me simply making up a number over 1000.

tceisele | June 15, 2007 11:06 AM

My guess: $4,435.56

Saundra | June 15, 2007 11:16 AM

I donated, and I'm guessing $3,274.00!

Anonymous | June 15, 2007 11:17 AM

Hmmmm...you've got an awful lot of readers...how many will donate....how much...hmmmm....


Tracey C. | June 15, 2007 11:17 AM

*sigh* Paypal stymies me again. (I've been attempting to delete a closed account from them for ages now, but they won't let me - and I failed my "remember to change funding source" roll when I donated, so I have no idea what will happen. If they switch to my backup funding source, all's well - if not, more aggravation with my old bank. In any case, if it bounces, my apologies.)

Charissa | June 15, 2007 11:18 AM

Oops, the Anonymous $6025 was me. Forgot this site isn't one of those log-in-we'll-remember-you blogs.

theWallflower | June 15, 2007 11:18 AM


Jeri | June 15, 2007 11:22 AM

$3210.12, a matchbook and a couple of religious tracts. :)

TransDutch | June 15, 2007 11:22 AM

I have no recollection of the email address I used with the donation. I have about five tied to my paypal account. Though four of them have the same domain name, which is unique to me. So, if the email address on this comment isn't in your records, but an email address where the username is actually the first part of the domain name (.org) ...well, that's me.

With that out of the way. Here's my guess:


Jon Marcus | June 15, 2007 11:27 AM

$1789.76, plus a few gallons of refined T Rex remains. (Buried by God, of course.)

JCK | June 15, 2007 11:30 AM


CaseyL | June 15, 2007 11:30 AM

Let's see... the word went out on a number of other blogs... you have a loyal Faithful Readership that gets a huge kick out of pulling your chain... plus the people who might not know you from Adam (heh!) but want to stick it to the Creationists...and maybe not everyone who contributed came over here to crow about it...

Heck, I'll go for the gusto.


hugh57 | June 15, 2007 11:32 AM

I'll guess $3685.27. I would say "plus a dinosaur bone," but I don't think that PayPal recognizes those as legal currency. ;)

Edd Vick | June 15, 2007 11:32 AM


Blaine | June 15, 2007 11:32 AM


Bill | June 15, 2007 11:32 AM


So, if we "both suck and rock", does that mean we suck at rocking? Or rock at sucking?

Mike G. | June 15, 2007 11:33 AM

I'm guessing the number of folks who said "He's not escaping, I'm donating $250 to make sure" has been undercounted. And the number of publishers offering to donate more to get a story.

I'm going to guess $12,000. Probably too high, but worth a shot.

Bill | June 15, 2007 11:34 AM


So, if we "both suck and rock", does that mean we suck at rocking? Or rock at sucking?

Lanna Lee Maheux-Quinn | June 15, 2007 11:38 AM

Guessing 3000

Mfitz | June 15, 2007 11:39 AM


Amanda | June 15, 2007 11:44 AM

Hmm. $1984.66

... I have no idea.

Jim Wright | June 15, 2007 11:47 AM

Well, John, I'd love to be part of this, but Paypal and I are currently not on speaking terms. They have nothing but contempt for me, and I hope their entire billing department dies in a slow, fiery car crash involving a T-Rex, a 1979 Ford Pinto, a 55-gallon drum of K-Y Jelly, and a burlap sack of coconuts.

Guess I'll just have to go to the dammed (heh) Creation Museum myself when I'm in Michigan next month.

Stephen Granade | June 15, 2007 11:47 AM


Rosangela Canino-Koning | June 15, 2007 11:48 AM

I'm guessing $5,039.42

Patrick M. | June 15, 2007 11:54 AM

Is the 'Closest' determined using Price Is Right rules or just purely closest?

zakur | June 15, 2007 11:55 AM


John Scalzi | June 15, 2007 11:56 AM

You're gonna hafta de-binary that for me, Zakur.

eye | June 15, 2007 11:58 AM

guessing ...
$ 6666 of course!

Anna N. | June 15, 2007 12:02 PM

I'll say $2047.

Kaytie | June 15, 2007 12:10 PM


But I fear I'm underestimating. Oh well.

ordinarygirl | June 15, 2007 12:10 PM


Dr. Phil | June 15, 2007 12:10 PM

I just posted EVIL - 1 cent (I'm not really evil, I just play one on TV), so I'm in on the fun now, John. I am going to go for a total of $2222.22, but will cheerfully lose if it is considerably more. For the charity, of course, John. I'm doing it all for charity.

Dr. Phil

Nathan | June 15, 2007 12:11 PM


Allison | June 15, 2007 12:14 PM

$2282.50 Have fun @ the museum!

Michael Pereckas | June 15, 2007 12:15 PM


John W | June 15, 2007 12:18 PM

I'll guess an even $4,000.00. Oh, and Mr. Wright, as a resident of Michigan, I assure you the Creation Museum is a bit south of us.

Michael Rawdon | June 15, 2007 12:19 PM

Hmm, let's see, if I apply actual logic to the problem, then I'm sure to be wrong.

I figure at least one ambitious fellow donated at least $500, possibly even $1000 just to make sure. Let's guess that you got in the ballpark of $1000 from a couple of big donors. You recommended that everyone donate about $5, and lots of people have been donating (or at least mentioning) $6.66 or other amounts with that sort of theme. I figure most people donated more than $5, and a few probably donated significantly more ($50-$100). This probably averages out to around $15 per person

So, how many people? I actually have no idea how many readers you have, but it's surely hundreds or thousands. I doubt everyone (or even most of everyone) donated, but I bet a couple hundred did. So 200 donors at $15 each is $3000, plus the $1000 from the big donors, is $4000. But guessing round numbers is rarely correct, so do I think it's more or less than that? My guess is that I've overestimated it, so I'll go lower.

Let's say $3987.

LizT | June 15, 2007 12:21 PM


Carol Elaine | June 15, 2007 12:22 PM

I have duly donated (mild evil of $6.66 - I am, apparently, unimaginative).

My guess: $3,483.15 and 6.7 Chick tracts. Because "cartoon tracts make witnessing easy!"

Now I have to wash my fingers with lye and bleach.

jennifer | June 15, 2007 12:23 PM

$3,042.72. Yeah. That sounds good. Have fun. I want an Adam & Eve & TRex bobblehead. Or at least a photo of one. Thanks.

Mark | June 15, 2007 12:23 PM

My guess? Hmm, I'm going to shoot for $1734.51

Also acording to this binary to ACSII converter, zakur's guess-timate is $4364.01.

Chang, for rizzle. | June 15, 2007 12:26 PM

Easily 6,000,000 quatloos.

Jesus, I gots to donate!

Tom | June 15, 2007 12:37 PM

I need to point out that Two Sheds Jackson has a song called Jurassic Park -- I needed to share with the group


Adam Ziegler | June 15, 2007 12:39 PM


Smith | June 15, 2007 12:44 PM


Adam Rakunas | June 15, 2007 12:52 PM


That's a lot of coconuts.

Jenny Rae Rappaport | June 15, 2007 12:55 PM


Seth Breidbart | June 15, 2007 12:57 PM

I could maximize my chances of winning by waiting until the last minute and gaming it (see the standard game-theory discussion of ice cream carts at a beach), but that wouldn't be nice. Yeah, like that ever affected me before.


(Paypal came from an account with a lot of the same letters in it.)

Jim Wright | June 15, 2007 01:03 PM

John W. No kidding, man that Noah's Flood thing must have moved the states around, again.

Joe | June 15, 2007 01:05 PM


Dave Garrett | June 15, 2007 01:06 PM

Wild Assed Guess: $5369.

Chris Azure | June 15, 2007 01:07 PM


GTD Wannabe | June 15, 2007 01:07 PM

I donated under michellelcrane@gmail.com. I'm betting $2380.98

Clay | June 15, 2007 01:07 PM

I'm going with 4347.50

Corby K | June 15, 2007 01:11 PM

OK, Scalzi, I sent you $10.00 so I can play your game.

Umm, $3960.34 ?

Yes, that's completely random.

Jay | June 15, 2007 01:12 PM


DavidK | June 15, 2007 01:22 PM

I have absolutely no clue, so....


Sean Price | June 15, 2007 01:24 PM


Jenny | June 15, 2007 01:37 PM

$1317. I wonder how many--other than Tom with his $13.32--donated change? Come to think of it, I guess $1317.32 would make the better guess.

Phil | June 15, 2007 01:40 PM

My guess?

$5,764.21 for no real reason.

Kate MacLeod | June 15, 2007 01:46 PM

I'm going with $3500. Have fun at the museum! (Better you than me, is all I'm saying).

Mark Fletcher | June 15, 2007 01:47 PM

My guess: $2666

Brian Gyss | June 15, 2007 01:50 PM


MWT | June 15, 2007 02:04 PM

Hmmm... well, I'm an optimist so I think everyone else is way low.

Figuring that Whatever has around 25,000 daily readers. Figuring that even I donated to this, and I never donate to anything this casual (this is the first where I didn't first think about it for a month or two). Figuring that last time I heard anything about a poll, 50% of Americans thought creationism might have some merit and might refuse to donate. Therefore, 12,000 people donated, and to estimate low we'll assume they donated $6.66 each. That makes it a whopping $79,920.

Guess I'll go with that and see what happens. :) $79,920 is my bet.

Zeekar | June 15, 2007 02:05 PM

I'm not Zakur, but let's see if I can decode that guess.

0010010000110100001100110011011000110100001011100011000000110001 can't be the dollar amount in binary, since it works out to over 2.6 quintillion. So it's probably a character string. Assuming ASCII with 8 bits per character.. 00100100 is a dollar sign. That's promising.
00110000 through 00111001 are digits, and 00101110 is a period. Yup. So that's $4364.01 from Zakur.

As long as I'm here, I'll throw in a guess of my own: $3655.66

mo pie | June 15, 2007 02:18 PM

I was going to say $3,500 but someone already guessed it. So I will go with $10,035! I bet that's way too much. Oh well!

Zeekar | June 15, 2007 02:20 PM

Oh, and FTR, I did donate. My email address on PayPal is slightly different (mail.com instead of gmail.com), but they're both me.

Matt | June 15, 2007 02:24 PM

Here goes nothing....


Rick | June 15, 2007 02:28 PM

I'm going to guess $3141.59 ... just for fun. :)

Zeekar | June 15, 2007 02:31 PM

(I'm going to set that for midnight in the Pacific Time Zone, however, to give you laid-back California stragglers a chance to get your act together)

...but you laid-back Hawaiian stragglers are SOL!

Douglas | June 15, 2007 02:32 PM


Firebyrd | June 15, 2007 02:36 PM

Heck if I know, but I'll guess $2542.42.

Devin L. Ganger | June 15, 2007 02:39 PM


Adam Lipkin | June 15, 2007 02:42 PM


David | June 15, 2007 03:02 PM

Same e-mail used for donation.


Josh | June 15, 2007 03:03 PM


Tom Negrino | June 15, 2007 03:05 PM

I'm guessing $2506.50.

Daniel | June 15, 2007 03:25 PM

Based on how quickly your posts on the matter became dispondent in tone, I think the amount went up quickly and went up high...


Cody | June 15, 2007 03:36 PM

Randomly typing on the number pad got me $1642.12.

h | June 15, 2007 03:42 PM

Late to the party but $6.69 from across the street, just to help you have a good time in a good cause. A guess, umm, square of evil is too big; 6.6^6 still too big; (ah!) evil pi = 2,092.30 and I hope I'm under.


John H | June 15, 2007 04:17 PM

Evil Pi -- I like that...

wren | June 15, 2007 04:19 PM

Not a clue, so my non-scientific-WAG is $3726.29.

Lisa | June 15, 2007 04:21 PM

Well, you say you get 20,000 a day. Not all of them have donated I'm sure, but then it has gone out on other sites, and most people seemed to have donated something between $5 and $6.66, so...multiply by 10...carry the 6...Oh, I don't know. My birthday is coming up next week, so:


Lisa | June 15, 2007 04:22 PM

Well, you say you get 20,000 hits a day. Not all of them have donated I'm sure, but then it has gone out on other sites, and most people seemed to have donated something between $5 and $6.66, so...multiply by 10...carry the 6...Oh, I don't know. My birthday is coming up next week, so:


Brian | June 15, 2007 04:25 PM


Jude | June 15, 2007 04:30 PM

This is the first time I've actually read every comment on one of your posts. Even so, I can't remember if anyone else guessed this amount. So if someone else did, either add or subtract two cents, please (as long as that doesn't match anyone either).


Alex | June 15, 2007 04:33 PM


eric | June 15, 2007 04:46 PM

Dammit Rick. You took my pi.


(2000e) But whatever, one irrational guess is as good as another.

Anne C. | June 15, 2007 04:56 PM

My birthday times Evil:

marciepooh | June 15, 2007 04:58 PM

$6653.34 (that's evil * upside down evil)

Jenny - I donated cents. I saw the twice evil and thought it was the perfect amount. Until I thought of upside-down evil. That would have saved me $3.33, damn. Have fun John.

marciepooh | June 15, 2007 05:00 PM

P.S.- I didn't think PayPal would negative evil as a donation (can't make John give me money) and the inverse of evil isn't much. Evil Pi, yummy.

Ron | June 15, 2007 05:01 PM


marciepooh | June 15, 2007 05:02 PM

sorry... would accept negative evil...

Mia | June 15, 2007 05:04 PM


Mike | June 15, 2007 05:08 PM

Too Much Fun :)!

I guess $8,458.00

Lauren | June 15, 2007 05:21 PM


No particular formula; it just sounds good.

sharon | June 15, 2007 05:24 PM

I donated, so I'm guessing: $9350.

I hope they let you take pictures inside the museum!

Anna K | June 15, 2007 06:15 PM

I'll go with $4378.43... I just like the number.

Janiece | June 15, 2007 06:21 PM

$2,427.11, a six pack of coconuts, and the fabulously entertaining religious leaflet, "What REALLY Happened to the Dinosaurs."

Deb Geisler | June 15, 2007 06:22 PM

$2,712...with the hope that this is wayyy low.

Jeff B | June 15, 2007 06:41 PM

My guess... ahh... $2185.

Jamilyn | June 15, 2007 06:57 PM


**fingers crossed**

Jor | June 15, 2007 07:19 PM

I was never good at these things...


Let's go with $4,242.42 !

KW | June 15, 2007 07:35 PM

I'll guess $2289.

Wil | June 15, 2007 08:03 PM


Lou | June 15, 2007 08:08 PM

Hmmm. Since you pretty much said yesterday you hit it...


Another Dave | June 15, 2007 08:11 PM

I'm in - I'll guess $2718.28 (since 1000*PI has been called already...)

Wil | June 15, 2007 08:12 PM

Oops! I just noticed John H. made that guess up at the top (I shouldn't have skipped that lesson on comprehensive scanning for accuracy in the Evelyn Wood course 43 years ago...)

Make mine 4435.55. Just because.

Natalie | June 15, 2007 08:38 PM

$2719.99 That's extra evil pi (66.60 x 13 x pi). I donated under LcooL888 at yahoo dot com

kurt | June 15, 2007 08:41 PM


Ray | June 15, 2007 08:47 PM

And .. after smartly posting my guess on the wrong page, I will have to go ahead and repeat it here: $1423 .. and .. eh. I'm not making the joke again, it wasn't funny the first time.

chang, who is not chang | June 15, 2007 08:56 PM

$32,768 +- 32,000 is consensus opinion of The Official Ghlaghghee Fan Club.

This may help you get in the mood (a delightfully snarky tour of the Creation Museum):


The Official Ghlaghghee Fan Club

Jeff Hentosz | June 15, 2007 09:07 PM

All right. Here's the winner: 50,000 Kronkeits.

NO! Wait...that's what Yosemite Sam won racing Bugs Bunny up the Shmatterhorn. Um... Eleventy-billion -- no, that's not a real number...

$4,004 US. 'Cause that's the year (BC, natch) the earth was invented.

CaptainBooshi | June 15, 2007 09:21 PM

I'm going to guess $1467, pretty much at random.

Deanna Hoak | June 15, 2007 09:26 PM


Chang, for rizzle. | June 15, 2007 09:30 PM

I just gave you some cash for the trip. Do they have slushies there?

I'm gonna say you;ve clerared $5,000. That or $10,000.

Carla H. | June 15, 2007 09:31 PM

It's worth a guess...

13 cubed = $2197.00

Thank you so much for doing this! I look forward to your report... and to the story. :)

-- Carla

derf | June 15, 2007 09:38 PM

$10,036 (sorry mo pie, nothing personal).

A Rusty butter knife | June 15, 2007 10:00 PM

$2805.07 (The opening date of the museum in ddmmyy format).

Jim Winter | June 15, 2007 10:05 PM

Think John will tape bacon to the dinosaurs?

Jos | June 15, 2007 10:12 PM

1999.99. Yep. I like them 9s.

Dr Paisley | June 15, 2007 10:28 PM

Well, I'm currently sans cash, so can't contribute, but I would like to suggest that your story include those two fundamental particles of science fiction, dinosaurs and sodomy. It's only appropriate.

Mark J Musante | June 15, 2007 10:47 PM

Borrowing a page from the Ramanujan biography, I was going to go with the smallest number expressible as the sum of two cubes in two different ways. But Ron already beat me to it, so I'll go with $1730 instead.

Jesus Christ | June 15, 2007 10:50 PM

Hey, all. JC here again. Just want you to know Dad's pretty stoked about Scalzi going to the Creation Museum. This was the best idea he's come up with since taping bacon to that cat.

Anyway, we were huddling last night and decided we needed to clear something up. See, Darwin got it wrong. Humans did not evolve from apes.

Oh, humans and apes are very much related, and, in fact, do have a common ancestor. But let's be honest here. i've walked among you and had to endure the worst weekend of my life because some of you thought my telling you to be a little nicer to each other threatened you. Come on, people. That one made even Pontie's skin crawl. Anyway, all was well by Sunday morning, which tells me there's hope for you people yet.

A good first step toward enlightenment might be to quit obsessing over Paris Hilton. Honestly, she's not real, people. We made her out of plastic.

Tania | June 15, 2007 11:02 PM

Well, I remembered to attach my address to my second donation. I donated extra just for the heck of it, and now I'll offer it on behalf of Jim Wright, my fellow Alaskan.

My guess - $8271.10

Soni | June 15, 2007 11:04 PM

Donation email matches my name. I'll throw my guessing hat into the ring with $3126.00.

Jim Wright | June 15, 2007 11:28 PM

Wow, Tania, that was just plain nice of you. I'm not used to people being nice to me, I kind of like it. Thanks.

I thought I had the paypal thing fixed, until this morning. Argh! I. Hate. Them.

So, if Tania's very generous offer is within the rules of the game - I guess $10,000 - and hope like hell that Tania wins.

JT | June 15, 2007 11:28 PM

I'm gonna toss in $1217 for a guess, because that's the way my Alphabits lined up in my spoon this morning. It's a good thing I wasn't eating Cheerios.

My Paypal e-mail address was different than the one I use here, but I put this one in the comments box at Paypal.

Lizzibabe | June 15, 2007 11:28 PM

I'm going to bet my Honda purchase price. I'm going to guess that you cleared $12,365.14

-et- | June 16, 2007 12:25 AM

I am feeling more and more evil with every passing day, so the Devil makes me say:

$3330.00 (666*5)

With best wishes,
- Tom -

Joe Hass | June 16, 2007 12:27 AM

I'll guess $1592.10.

Dave Smith | June 16, 2007 01:17 AM


Lee | June 16, 2007 01:49 AM

My bet is $2,222.22 which just a random guess. However, can we also have a side bet if you will get kicked out of there? I have one surefire way of getting you out - wearing a shirt with big bold letters - WTF ITC (WTF, is this crap?).

Alan | June 16, 2007 02:22 AM

My guess: $2290.13

Tania | June 16, 2007 02:37 AM

Jim - I think it should be within in the rules, since you get a lot of "what he said" thoughts from me.

I used a variation of the husband's birthday for my guess.

You know, Scalzi admits to being rather disorganized. Have we just created a bunch of work for Krissy? I'd feel really bad about that.

Christopher Hawley | June 16, 2007 02:39 AM

My best (okay, only) guess is: $2086.

Glad to hear your goals were handily met. Thanks
for being both generous and sporting!

Kathryn from Sunnyvale | June 16, 2007 02:58 AM


Lee W | June 16, 2007 03:11 AM

I'll go with a guess of $1,445.

Lee W

David Goldfarb | June 16, 2007 03:44 AM

I'm going to guess....$1628.00. Just sort of pulling a number out of my a**.

Steven desJardins | June 16, 2007 05:49 AM

I'll guess $10,378. Not because I actually think it got that high, but because there aren't many people guessing that much.

Jennie | June 16, 2007 07:05 AM

In honor of my Dad's upcoming 80th birthday, 1927.76.

Tom | June 16, 2007 08:14 AM


Kelsey | June 16, 2007 08:47 AM

Turns to audience. Nods. A twinkle enters his eye. Looks at other contestants, thinks they're foolish.

Says, "One Dollar, Bob."

Of course in the terms of this contest, I guess $1 = $1,000.

My bid = $1,000

(hope the Price is Right rules apply)

Bill | June 16, 2007 09:31 AM


Dave Weingart | June 16, 2007 10:51 AM

Mmm...if I get a guess, then I'll go with some nice round figure like $2465.87

Ewan | June 16, 2007 11:11 AM

$1311, coming in under the wire...

Kate | June 16, 2007 11:32 AM

1193.00 :)

John Scalzi | June 16, 2007 12:01 PM

Pencils up! Thread is closed.