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May 15, 2007

Jerry Falwell Dead

Here's the story. I guess now he'll find out what Jesus really thought of many of his positions. Personally I suspect he might be surprised.

Posted by john at May 15, 2007 02:18 PM

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Joe Hass | May 15, 2007 02:21 PM

Falwell: "Wait; my badge doesn't work on this door that says 'HEAVEN'."

St. Peter: (faint chuckling) "Yeah...about that..."

Jim Wright | May 15, 2007 02:25 PM

I know you're not supposed to speak ill of the dead, so I'll just say - good riddance, Jerry, you jackass.

(and wouldn't just be funny as all hell if St. Peter (heh) turned out to be gay!

Bryan | May 15, 2007 02:29 PM

There you go proselytizing again. 8-)

Jeri | May 15, 2007 02:50 PM

Heh heh. He said positions. Heh heh.

Call me twisted, but that's the first thing that caught my eye when I read the post.

While I diametrically disagree with about everything he stood for, I have to note that he completely changed the religious/political lanscape of our country in the 80s.

Not many people can say that had that level of impact on the world. I have to admire his passion, tenacity and influence, even if its changed our culture in ways I despise.

Jeri

Trevin | May 15, 2007 02:54 PM

I'm reminded of one of my favorite quotes of all time. When Bette Davis was asked to respond to the death of her hated rival Joan Crawford, she said:
"My mother always said to speak good of the dead. Joan Crawford is dead. Good."

Blue Degas | May 15, 2007 03:11 PM

Yes, he'll be surprised at what Jesus thinks. But love him or hate him, while he was a fallen man in a fallen world, and aren't we all, he lived trying to follow Jesus, whom he called Lord.

Along with the hard words Jesus probably has, he also has some very good words waiting for him.

- Proselytizing Whatever

Clay | May 15, 2007 03:12 PM

I'm hoping he ends up in Teletubbie heaven.

Ironically, a friend of mine and her husband were about to move to Lynchburg. She was a bit torn about leaving her family, was having a hard time finding a job down there, and was saying this morning that last night she prayed for a sign on whether to go or not. I guess she got it. At least there's another job opening.

Greg | May 15, 2007 03:17 PM

I'm too lazy to create this, but I could really go for a LOLcat-style picture of Rip Taylor, blowing a party horn and throwing confetti, with a caption that reads "U R Deadzor" above and "Parteeeee!" below.

In fact, my version of heaven would be Jerry Falwell's hell, as Rev. Moral Majority was tormented for all eternity by thousands of miniature Rip Taylors.

Dan Bailey | May 15, 2007 03:27 PM

I bid the motherfucker a not-very-fond adieu and hope that he gets the Hell he so justly deserves. Good riddance.

And I don't give a fuck how heartless bagging on the dead makes me sound -- it's still a damn sight better than the motherfucker treated the living.

(And in the future, I'll try to keep the military-level profanity to a minimum.)

Steve Buchheit | May 15, 2007 03:32 PM

You'll excuse me if I go round up the munchkins for another roaring round of "Ding Dong, the Witch is Dead."

JJS | May 15, 2007 03:35 PM

What Jesus really thought of him? My guess would be something along the lines of "I said to love your brothers. You hated them and loved their money. Going down!"

jerry | May 15, 2007 03:38 PM

From someone that grew up watching my elderly family members getting fleeced by Jim Baker and the likes of Falwell, all I can do is cheer.

CaseyL | May 15, 2007 03:49 PM

When I think of Falwell, I think of tens of thousands of people with AIDS who died alone and afraid, evicted from hospitals and disowned by their families. Falwell made that happen, and he made that OK.

When I think of Falwell, I think about what he said right after 9/11:

"[T]hrowing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way -- all of them who have tried to secularize America -- I point the finger in their face and say "you helped this happen."

I don't care how 'sincere' people thought he was. He was a hate-mongering bigot, he caused no end of suffering and death, and I wish there was a Hell to send him to.

Dan | May 15, 2007 03:55 PM

I'm certainly not going to shed a tear for the corpulent bigot.

Greg | May 15, 2007 04:10 PM

Dan:
Corpulent bigot = good band name
(I felt obliged to point that out.)

Clay | May 15, 2007 04:22 PM

Interesting. He dies at pretty much the nadir of the modern conservative movement. Is his death, in combination with the staggering misery that is Iraq, and ineptitude of leadership (hell, complete lack of leadership) the bellwether event that fragments the modern evangelical-conservative movement and alliance once and for all? Considering the outsized influence he's had for years in convincing people to vote against their economic best interests, the competition for the south just became much more interesting.

I don't think many will really miss him, except for friends, family and those who enjoyed his "WTF did he just say?" moments.


Lou | May 15, 2007 04:49 PM

Clay,

I think You hit it right on the nose.

As far as I'm concerned there's a straight line through the last twenty years of American Politics linking Falwell to Rove.

The Bait-and Switch tactics of the religious Right (Vote Morality, which we can't legislate: Not the Policy which we do) have brought us to this sad state of affairs.

I'm just glad Rush was off today: Although he'll probably say the Liberals Caused Falwell's Death to coincide to his day off so the Drive Bys could get in twenty hours of smears before he could respond with the truth!

Lisa | May 15, 2007 05:31 PM

That is exactly what I thought when I read the news. Like, in his final seconds, did he see where he was headed and try to turn around and come back?

Heh, a gay St. Peter. Love it.

David | May 15, 2007 06:46 PM

I really doubt he'll be seeing Jesus where he's heading.

Soren | May 15, 2007 07:26 PM

It's fun to gloat, but it's a good idea to remember that the movements he spawned are still alive. Let's give him a proper send off by squishing some.

jennifer | May 15, 2007 07:35 PM

Somewhere Tinky Winky is ordering a cocktail. I know I am.

Bobarino | May 15, 2007 07:48 PM

I hope ol' Jerry goes to the same subdivision of Hell as the 9/11 terrorists, so he can ask them in person if they really attacked us because of the gay agenda.

Carol Elaine | May 15, 2007 08:03 PM

and wouldn't just be funny as all hell if St. Peter (heh) turned out to be gay!

A friend of mine hypothesized that, with luck, G-d is actually a gay black woman. I'd like to add, she's probably a member of the ACLU as well. That would be a lovely bit of karmic justice.

I'm not celebrating his death because it's just not in me to do so. But I will say that I hope, should there be a Hell, that he's suffering in its fiery pits for all he's done on earth. I'm pretty sure that Falwell and his ilk were spawned in Hell anyway and he's just gone home.

Steve Buchheit | May 15, 2007 08:09 PM

Clay "and those who enjoyed his 'WTF did he just say?' moments."

Fortunately we still have Crazy Uncle Pat for those moments. Oh, wait, maybe I should take a page from CUP's playbook and start praying for another opening?

kouredios | May 15, 2007 08:16 PM

Who's taking bets on how long it will take before the wingnuts are using reactions to his death like this one (and many, many others, I would wager) as proof of how evil those anti-American, secular, abortionist homosexuals really are. *sigh*

But yeah. As for me, my first reaction was relief, as well. Maybe not joy, but relief.

Kyle Maxwell | May 15, 2007 10:13 PM

I did quite a bit of thinking about this, as a Christian who disagreed strongly with Falwell on nearly everything.

I finally decided that I'm in no position to judge the sincerity of his heart, though the world is probably better off now that he's gone. And it's not for me to decide what's next for him, but I trust that the proper decision is being made.

As much as I disliked him, schadenfreude for his death doesn't strike me as something in which I'd like to engage.

Brad J | May 15, 2007 10:16 PM

I don't like to wish ill of the dead.

But if this isn't an occasion for schadenfreude pie, I don't know what is.

Jon H | May 16, 2007 12:34 AM

"But love him or hate him, while he was a fallen man in a fallen world, and aren't we all, he lived trying to follow Jesus, whom he called Lord."

I kinda get the impression he instead looked at what he was inclined to do anyway, and decided *that* was what it meant to follow Jesus.

Jon H | May 16, 2007 12:37 AM


Somewhere there's an Angel running Photoshop, with a picture on the screen showing Falwell and the words "IM IN UR LAKE OF FIRE, FLEEING UR DOODZ"

No, sorry, that's not Photoshop, it's a video feed.

jon H | May 16, 2007 12:38 AM

"As much as I disliked him, schadenfreude for his death doesn't strike me as something in which I'd like to engage."

Can I have your share?

enegim | May 16, 2007 12:44 AM

BlueDegas: No, I suspect that Jesus' words for him are more along the lines of, "if any man do a cruelty in my name, then, though he says the name Aslan, it is Tash whom he serves and by Tash his deed is accepted." Or maybe just "Depart from me, I never knew you."

Sincerity is not enough, and when it's sincerity in the service of evil, it is evil.

Karl Cook | May 16, 2007 02:23 AM

When I saw the news report yesterday, I was initially pretty ambivalent about his demise. But after a bit of introspection, I'm of a different opinion.

If only... If only the marks he left on American society could be expunged as readily as his life. In my mind his founding of the "Moral Majority" and his preaching of intolerance are some of the most devisive remonstrations of the late 20th Century. His legacy however, remains, which is something we'll be suffering with for an indecently long time to come.

Thanks ever so much, Mr. Falwell.

Schloi | May 16, 2007 03:06 AM

aha! I didn't see this until just now, of course, irrational no sleep helps
May 14
John Scalzi denies religious undertones in Old Man's War
May 15
Jerry Falwell Dies

of course, obviously, Jerry Falwell was secretly a very big fan of Old Man's War, and just couldn't take it
John Scalzi killed Jerry Falwell, indirectly of course, and no one can prove it, but it's interesting to think about (note:I'm amused, not nuts)

Cartoon Coyote | May 16, 2007 05:05 AM

I'm just curious: Would it be at all in bad taste to send a bouquet of pansies to the funeral?

Matt | May 16, 2007 05:59 AM

Everytime I hear or see his name, the old bumper sticker - MORAL MAJORITY is NEITHER - comes back to my mind. His death is unfair, he should have suffered more like the people he condemned. I just hope he lives up to his name and has FAlen WELL, deep into HELL. Farewell, I think the world will be better without you and your meddling with politics for selfish interests.

Sabine | May 16, 2007 06:59 AM

A couple of weeks ago I was really disturbed by a documentry on dutch tv from the daughter of your leader of Congress and her husband about the Bible Belt. The amount of people with incredible rigid views and their need to impose them on others was scary.Jerry Falwell featured and he seemed very power hungry, so from this side of the Atlantic I just think,one very creepy crawler less. May he rest in peace.

WizarDru | May 16, 2007 09:08 AM

Googling enegim's quote (since I've never read any of the Narnia books except perhaps LW&W many, many years ago) I got some interesting details I was unaware of...and also ran into some interesting web pages.

This one was particulary interesting:


"Beware of the dangerous false teacher C.S. Lewis; and beware also of his friend, the Roman Catholic J.R. Tolkien."

nisleib | May 16, 2007 09:17 AM

I can just imagine St. Peter asking him about some of his proclamations:

SP: Did you say "kill them all in the name of the Lord"

JF: Yes I did

SP: What "lord" were you talking about?

JF: Jesus of course!

SP: Have you actually read the bible?

JF: Ummmhhh.....

SP: Let's move on now. Did you actually say "we should bomb them all straight to hell?"

JF: I sure did!

SP: Are you sure you want to go through these gates?

JF: I've earned my entry!

SP: I don't think so. Were you pro-segregation? And did you encourage investment in Apartheid South Africa?

JF: You bet I did! The white man is God's man, as such we should have dominion over the evil Negro.

SP: Okay, one last question - Did you help get George W. Bush elected president of the United States?

JF: Absolutely! He wouldn't have gotten elected without me! It's one of my proudest moments.

SP: Really? ACCESS DENIED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


AliceB | May 16, 2007 10:48 AM

I figure this must be proof that God exists.

He tells CNN he needs 20 more years to finish his work. He's dead the following day.

No?

Ric Locke | May 16, 2007 11:05 AM

Falwell wil be judged -- indeed, has been judged -- on his own actions and the contents of his heart, not on the caricatures and stereotypes that appear to be the norm amongst the commenters here. Over-the-top misrepresentations by political opponents are explicitly (according to Scripture) excluded.

Demonizing people for organizing and leading a political movement that disagrees with your own is a betrayal of both the American Constitutional system and the specific principles you claim to espouse. You might do well to take note of which of your outlooks are windows, and which are mirrors.

Regards,
Ric

Muneraven | May 16, 2007 11:42 AM

About Falwell's sincerity: Hitler was very sincere. Does that mean we shouldn't be happy he died either?

Set aside the liberals, queers, and many others who have reasons to be glad Falwell is gone for a moment.

It is the Christians who should be happy the guy is dead. Falwell probably de-converted more people than anyone EVER. He took everything lovely and amazing about Christianity and wrapped it up in a cheap red, white and blue vinyl and polyester tablecloth from Walmart. Falwell (and his ilk) yanked the mercy, the love, the forgiveness, the acceptance right out of Christianity and The Bible. He adopted all the rules and punishments and rigidness and divisiveness of the Old Testament and completely ignored the fact that Jesus said he came to fullfill the law and that we were supposed to simply love Gad and love each other from now on.

Falwell made Jesus cheesy. He all but ruined a religion that does indeed have good ideas in it.

Nobody should be happier he is gone than Christians. If, you know, any real ones still exist.

Muneraven | May 16, 2007 11:48 AM

LOL...wow I spelled God's name wrong in my previous post.

Does God read Scalzi's blog? Is there a verse in The Bible about forgiving typos in passionate blog posts?

;-D

PixelFish | May 16, 2007 12:24 PM

That C.S. Lewis quote about serving Aslan and Tash is one of my favourite theological bits of Narnia. (There are some I disagree with, and some I just ignore, and others which I feel are valuable, like that one.) If I believed in a compassionate God, I'd be fairly certain that Falwell was acting counter to the idea, even as he claimed to be God's agent.

eviltammy | May 16, 2007 12:39 PM

And guess who's going to be protesting at Falwell's funeral? Fred Phelps! Now that should be a thing of beauty. (I know it's petty of me, but...) If you go to the disgusting Phelps page, it's the first thing on there.

No two people deserved each other more.

Buck | May 16, 2007 01:22 PM

As one of the Pagans whom he blamed for 9/11, all I can say is I'm glad he can

The situation reminds me of a joke that I read about circulating during and soon after WWII. Hitler or some other Nazi finds the pearly gates locked. He shouts through them to ask to have them unlocked, and the reply is in a heavily Yiddish accent asking him to wait a minute. He then says that it's OK, he'll go to 'the other place.' In the '60s, the Nazi is replaced by any number of segregationists, and the accent becomes a Southern, African-American one.

Cartoon Coyote | May 16, 2007 01:45 PM

No opinions about the pansies, folks? It was something I had in mind for when Phelps finally kicked the bucket, but Falwell beat him to it, so....

Oh, and Ric Locke? Eat me, you sanctimonious prick.

MikeB | May 16, 2007 02:55 PM

I'm not going to condemn the man - he was a product of his time and his education. On the other hand I'm not going to miss him either.

Pablo Defendini | May 16, 2007 03:05 PM

It's a damned shame that there's no such thing as a hell for him to burn in. That being said, I'll miss all the "WTF did he just say?!?! This dude is bonkers!" moments he so graciously provided us.

WizarDru | May 16, 2007 03:23 PM

"Demonizing people for organizing and leading a political movement that disagrees with your own is a betrayal of both the American Constitutional system and the specific principles you claim to espouse. You might do well to take note of which of your outlooks are windows, and which are mirrors."

I don't demonize Falwell for creating the Moral Majority and organizing them. I demonize him for openly looking to reverse the same democratic principles that you are claiming he deserves. His very public and well documented statements and work demonizing homosexuals, feminists, Catholics and most importantly his derision of a secular state and view of America as a solely Christian (and honestly, solely Baptist) State is what has earned him scorn.

Now, if you're looking for cheap laughs, you can go to this youtube video from 1998. Here, Falwell explains how Y2K is a part of prophecy...while at the same time his e-mail and web address flash on screen. Oh, and the comment about English being the Universal Language is good for a laugh, too. As is the talk of farm animals.

http://www.samplereality.com/archives/jerry_falwell_on_y2k_and_goats.html

Jim Wright, acolyte smiter | May 16, 2007 03:43 PM

About Falwell's sincerity: Hitler was very sincere. Does that mean we shouldn't be happy he died either? Uh, Uh, I call Godwin on you, Muneraven, you too Buck (of course, I was thinking the same thing...

Oh, and Ric Locke? Eat me, you sanctimonious prick. Well, Coyote, I couldn't have said that any better either.

Just for the record, Ric, I do know the difference between a mirror and window. And I do look in the mirror fairly often, so far I'm pretty dammed happy with what I see. Of course I haven't spend my whole life fleecing the gullible out of their life savings or preaching hate and intolerance worldwide either. You might try looking the mirror yourself, if you can see past the smug holier-than-thou expression on your face that is.

Wakboth | May 16, 2007 04:51 PM

Matthew 7:21-23

glinda | May 16, 2007 07:13 PM

Wakboth:

Also, Matthew 7: 1-5

Jeri | May 16, 2007 09:06 PM

One of my favorite Ann Lamott (liberal columnist and author) quotes goes something like this: It's a pretty good indicator you've created God in your own image when he hates the same people you hate.

Seems to apply here.

Laura | May 16, 2007 11:50 PM

Well if there is indeed any judgment after death I suppose he is being measured by the same level of tolerance he used in life.

I guess his death means God doesn't want him interfering in the next presidential election.

Ric Locke | May 17, 2007 01:01 AM

Of course I haven't spend my whole life fleecing the gullible out of their life savings or preaching hate and intolerance worldwide either.

::fx:shrug::

Doin' a pretty good job of it here. Maybe you should give yourself more scope.

Regards,
Ric

AliceB | May 17, 2007 09:47 AM

Ric, at the risk of feeding a troll, venting anger about one person's (Falwell's) actions and words is not the equivalent of preaching hate and intolerance. If you don't like the point of view you see here, you can find lots of folks upset at Falwell's death elsewhere.

Steve Buchheit | May 17, 2007 11:12 AM

Ric Locke,
Live by the sword, die by the sword. The person Mr. Falwell said he revered beat me to the response. Personally, I do hope he found the forgiveness and grace in his after-life that he seemed to lack so much of in this life. That doesn't mean that I'm not glad he isn't in this life anymore.

Jim Wright (off storming da castle) | May 17, 2007 05:48 PM

Hallelujah! I see the light, Ric ole' boy! Your Christian humility and the Holy Fire of biblical righteousness burning in your eyes have convinced me. I just went down and wrote a check giving my entire Navy retirement in perpetuity to Big Bubba's Baitshop, Tabernacle, and Transmission Repair (where our motto is Salvation and Lube!). We won't be able to eat on a regular basis, but I figured screw the kids, they can starve for Jesus, do them good - plus there's plenty to eat in Heaven, so you know they'll be okay as long as they don't turn queer and cause terrorists to kill us all. Anyway, Rev Bubba gave me a "Die, Fag, Die!" lapel pin and promised to forward the money on to the Jerry Falwell Fund for the Corpulently Saved. He was too busy polishing his Heavenly Caddie to answer any more questions, so I'll ask you, since you seem to have a direct line to the Almighty: when we're out witnessing and condemning the Flamming Queers, Filthy Catholics, Scheming Jews, Heathen Brown Skinned Peoples, Dammed Atheists, Godless Protestants, Stinking Moslems, Merry Pagans, Shrieking Feminists, slimy Evilootionists, People who drive too slow in the fast lane (my personal favorite, Praise Jesus), Hellspawn Democrats, and the UnAmerican ACLU Perverts who don't have sex solely in the Missionary Position (Heh, Missionary, I finally get that! Praise Jesus!), anyway when we're out doing the Lawd's work - is there a specific uniform? Or is our smug expression of constipated self-righteous bigotry and spittle-laced intolerance enough to identify us as true Americans and the Lawd's chosen ones?

Oh hey, another thing, now that I'm Saved (Praise Jesus!), what form do I use for the tax deduction? And do I itemize each of the Devil's Tools I condemn to Hell individually or is there a single IRS form for the whole lot?

Cartoon Coyote | May 17, 2007 06:54 PM

Ric: You're still sanctimonious. And you still haven't eaten me yet. Get to work on that, junior.

After you've done that, maybe you should ask why not even Ronald Reagan or Kenneth Lay elicited this magnitude of joy when they shuffled off this mortal coil.

John | May 18, 2007 01:49 AM

Falwell sucked. We're all flawed. You not having an impact on the greater public discourse should not be a reason to revel in another person's death. Rise above it, please?

Cartoon Coyote | May 19, 2007 01:08 AM

Rise above it, please?

Um... no.

John | May 19, 2007 03:43 AM

Congratulations, CC, you win: Continuing To Be A Part of The Problem.

Are you really so blinded by your righteous indignation? Falwell went after Flynt's livelihood and Flynt was decent enough to say kind words about the man upon his death.

I never thought I would be defending Jerry Freaking Falwell post-mortem. I *despise* the religious right but, frankly, I'm just as disturbed by folks of your ilk.

Nate | May 22, 2007 12:46 PM

Jerry, the al Qaeda supporter, is dead. Good riddance. May his brother in religious extremism, Osama bin laden, be next to bite the dust.

God Bless America and a speedy death to those who blamed Americans for 9/11!

Nate | May 22, 2007 12:47 PM

Jerry, the al Qaeda supporter, is dead. Good riddance. May his brother in religious extremism, Osama bin laden, be next to bite the dust.

God Bless America and a speedy death to those who blamed Americans for 9/11!

Cartoon Coyote | May 23, 2007 05:59 AM

Are you really so blinded by your righteous indignation?

Man, you and Ric Locke: Blinded by the desire to appear better than others.

"Righteous indignation"? Piss off. A complete and utter turd who never once contributed positively to the public discourse you so value stopped breathing, and you get the vapours because I'm not broken-hearted about it? (And Larry Flynt cleaned Falwell's clock in court; he can afford to be magnanimous. Falwell probably did more to increase that magazine's circulation than pink shots ever did.)

I *despise* the religious right but, frankly, I'm just as disturbed by folks of your ilk.

Just as frankly, John, I don't give a flying rat's flaming ass about what disturbs you, Lil' Miss Prissy. If you won't call a scumbag a scumbag because you want to play nice, then you're part of an even bigger problem: You believe that being nice to the religious right will make them appreciate you. You're dead wrong.

Cartoon Coyote | May 23, 2007 06:00 AM

I really need to check my tags!

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